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	<title>Comments on: Net Art : Without Animals?</title>
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		<title>By: André SC</title>
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		<dc:creator>André SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx for the comments guys, I at least partly share your views - though hasten to add that given the preliminary/experimental stage of development these pieces constitute I am pleased with the results. When i started working in this direction last year i was initially discouraged by their tendency to produce generic nondescript marble-y messes - often beautiful messes, but lacking figurative or perceptual access for the non-technically savy viewer - this is not fully resolved yet, but especially since meeting and brainstorming with Nathaniel I sense this can be.

(I can just Photoshop in whatever i think would make them visually work - and to some extent i explored this avenue with the Net Porn series, and will in all likelihood continue those in that direction - but I am not satisfied with that approachs&#039; adverse impact on either the - let&#039;s call it &#039;generative quality&#039; of the process nor how in my mind that then drifts into the realms of illustration as opposed to art - in my humble opinion.)

I am curious though why you specifically suggest such &#039;pathogenic&#039; themes, okay, except for Mandela, he&#039;s okay :- ) - I have a number of other themes i want to eventually explore (State governance, its intelligence and accountability components especially)- but need to build some new tools to do that effectively - oh for having the tim :- (

But yes, in this case (in geek speak) the scope of input is probably too broad - and I am also not happy with some of the compositional aspects - hope to find some time somewhere to address these issues in a way that integrates accessibility, conceptual focus and procedural &#039;integrity&#039; in these. Though i think it is going to be worth while to build a long time record of &#039;Google&#039;s view&#039; on art in this fashion - and probably eventually compose something more exciting from the result, say a kind of graphic novel documenting Google learning about art - as all indications are that the results will in all likely hood eventually start converging more recognisably on art-images as Google continuously fine-tune and improve their algorithms -  Nathaniel is  better in informed about this than myself -  N, what do you think - am I making sense here? ( if we take one such snapshot a month we&#039;ll have a 15second movie (at 15fps) in say 3 years, how is your patience?

D, I want thank you specifically again for the input in our processes - its great - and rare - to be able to soundboard things like this with someone of your perspectives. As much as I enjoy exploring conceptual ambiguity, notions of indistinct boundaries etc, I do want to create stuff that can be shared and meaningfully (and ideally pasionately) engaged with by others, as I know N does also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx for the comments guys, I at least partly share your views &#8211; though hasten to add that given the preliminary/experimental stage of development these pieces constitute I am pleased with the results. When i started working in this direction last year i was initially discouraged by their tendency to produce generic nondescript marble-y messes &#8211; often beautiful messes, but lacking figurative or perceptual access for the non-technically savy viewer &#8211; this is not fully resolved yet, but especially since meeting and brainstorming with Nathaniel I sense this can be.</p>
<p>(I can just Photoshop in whatever i think would make them visually work &#8211; and to some extent i explored this avenue with the Net Porn series, and will in all likelihood continue those in that direction &#8211; but I am not satisfied with that approachs&#8217; adverse impact on either the &#8211; let&#8217;s call it &#8216;generative quality&#8217; of the process nor how in my mind that then drifts into the realms of illustration as opposed to art &#8211; in my humble opinion.)</p>
<p>I am curious though why you specifically suggest such &#8216;pathogenic&#8217; themes, okay, except for Mandela, he&#8217;s okay :- ) &#8211; I have a number of other themes i want to eventually explore (State governance, its intelligence and accountability components especially)- but need to build some new tools to do that effectively &#8211; oh for having the tim :- (</p>
<p>But yes, in this case (in geek speak) the scope of input is probably too broad &#8211; and I am also not happy with some of the compositional aspects &#8211; hope to find some time somewhere to address these issues in a way that integrates accessibility, conceptual focus and procedural &#8216;integrity&#8217; in these. Though i think it is going to be worth while to build a long time record of &#8216;Google&#8217;s view&#8217; on art in this fashion &#8211; and probably eventually compose something more exciting from the result, say a kind of graphic novel documenting Google learning about art &#8211; as all indications are that the results will in all likely hood eventually start converging more recognisably on art-images as Google continuously fine-tune and improve their algorithms &#8211;  Nathaniel is  better in informed about this than myself &#8211;  N, what do you think &#8211; am I making sense here? ( if we take one such snapshot a month we&#8217;ll have a 15second movie (at 15fps) in say 3 years, how is your patience?</p>
<p>D, I want thank you specifically again for the input in our processes &#8211; its great &#8211; and rare &#8211; to be able to soundboard things like this with someone of your perspectives. As much as I enjoy exploring conceptual ambiguity, notions of indistinct boundaries etc, I do want to create stuff that can be shared and meaningfully (and ideally pasionately) engaged with by others, as I know N does also.</p>
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		<title>By: nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://pixelplexus.co.za/blog/2006/03/18/net-art-without-animals/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somehow slept through this post last week (and was reading all the later ones), but yeh DK, I see your point, and am keen to experiment with politcal, site-specific (only .co.za) or perhaps timely (top ten google searches in a day?), or all of the above. Perhaps 10 searches per day for repeat visits? Of course, I&#039;m thinking this as live, screen-bared Net Compressionism rather than printed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somehow slept through this post last week (and was reading all the later ones), but yeh DK, I see your point, and am keen to experiment with politcal, site-specific (only .co.za) or perhaps timely (top ten google searches in a day?), or all of the above. Perhaps 10 searches per day for repeat visits? Of course, I&#8217;m thinking this as live, screen-bared Net Compressionism rather than printed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
		<link>http://pixelplexus.co.za/blog/2006/03/18/net-art-without-animals/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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very concetual in terms of the make up of the image, but sadly i cannot get passionate about it
maybe if the pages you draw from were about the same issue, it may get some reonance
25 pages of photographs say from sites dealing with AIDS/terrorism/george bush/mandela....</description>
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very concetual in terms of the make up of the image, but sadly i cannot get passionate about it<br />
maybe if the pages you draw from were about the same issue, it may get some reonance<br />
25 pages of photographs say from sites dealing with AIDS/terrorism/george bush/mandela&#8230;.</p>
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